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Old 05-06-2012, 14:46   #451
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im now completely confused wht i said and you guys said but its ok, Barton is out there, trouble will keep on coming..
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Old 06-06-2012, 10:43   #452
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I modern football!

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Old 06-06-2012, 11:20   #453
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Wow. Selling ones soul to the devil has rarely been so perfectly parabled. The dragon in the crest even look like satan.
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Wow. Selling ones soul to the devil has rarely been so perfectly parabled. The dragon in the crest even look like satan.

nice comment...


I'm close to quit this shitty sport...fishing might be interesting, anyone with fishing experience round here?
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Old 06-06-2012, 18:29   #455
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When you desperately offer your services in the hope that a buyer will be your saving grace, you automatically become subject to their whims. This is the cost of competing.

Looking at the bigger picture, this is capitalism permeating football, and there's not a thing fans will do about it. You'll sit in your seat, you'll watch the game, and you'll try your hardest to like it. If not, you can piss off and find another club or sport. That's essentially what United fans were told back in 2005.
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When you desperately offer your services in the hope that a buyer will be your saving grace, you automatically become subject to their whims. This is the cost of competing.

Looking at the bigger picture, this is capitalism permeating football, and there's not a thing fans will do about it. You'll sit in your seat, you'll watch the game, and you'll try your hardest to like it. If not, you can piss off and find another club or sport. That's essentially what United fans were told back in 2005.

Well said.

When the owners purchased Cardiff City they should have realised the clubs potential and cut it's cloth accordingly. They are now losing around £1M per month.
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If not, you can piss off and find another club or sport.
Ok, but what if thousands and millions of supporters find another club? What is the business then for the owners?
In Hun I have watched this. I have seen the regular attendance going down from 20,000 per match to 2,000 and now football is no business in this country any more... Football-lovers like me left their Hun clubs for doubtful Spanish segu, sorry primera teams.

anyway football is no good business anywhere in the world.
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Looking at the bigger picture, this is capitalism permeating football, and there's not a thing fans will do about it. You'll sit in your seat, you'll watch the game, and you'll try your hardest to like it. If not, you can piss off and find another club or sport. That's essentially what United fans were told back in 2005.

That's a nice comment Chris.

Well, Kalman, maybe in Hun they did bad business, but i'm sure that in financial terms there could be done profitable business...
In a case like Cardiff, they might lose amount A, from Wales fans, and profit amount 10xA from Asian fans.
EPL that use all these modern ways to finance football, haven't lost many fans actually...they may lost some purists, but they have won more in UK and mainly worldwide.
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That's a nice comment Chris.

Well, Kalman, maybe in Hun they did bad business, but i'm sure that in financial terms there could be done profitable business...
In a case like Cardiff, they might lose amount A, from Wales fans, and profit amount 10xA from Asian fans.
EPL that use all these modern ways to finance football, haven't lost many fans actually...they may lost some purists, but they have won more in UK and mainly worldwide.

That's it, in a nutshell. The purists whine about everything, are impossible to please and, at least in England, rarely sports much merchandise anyway. Modern football care less and less about them.

But Kalman is correct in that it could very well lead to a downfall. The average age of season ticket holders (according to an article I read but cannot locate now) in EPL is now over 40, which means that an entire generation are lost from the stands and the allure of live football. This will be a problem when these 40-somethings voices are too sore for 90 minutes of chanting and singing, and those Asians who have grown to love the premier league for it's full stadiums and glorious atmosphere will start to wonder what the hell they are watching.
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and those Asians who have grown to love the premier league for it's full stadiums and glorious atmosphere will start to wonder what the hell they are watching.

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then future is bright again
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Yup. Rip it up and start again.
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Ok, but what if thousands and millions of supporters find another club?

Short answer? They won't, because they've long subjected themselves to the unwholesomeness of football and unintentionally accepted it. We already live in a society that blunts individualism and requires submissiveness. Football is one aspect of society that merely took time to get in line.

FC United are a prime example of the potential that fans carry. Quite simply, though, they're walking into a headwind, as the majority are apathetic and neglectful. If you could find a way to instigate thousands and millions of people to become self-aware and act, I'd suggest that you write a book and live from the profits until the end of your days
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Short answer? They won't, because they've long subjected themselves to the unwholesomeness of football and unintentionally accepted it. We already live in a society that blunts individualism and requires submissiveness. Football is one aspect of society that merely took time to get in line.

FC United are a prime example of the potential that fans carry. Quite simply, though, they're walking into a headwind, as the majority are apathetic and neglectful. If you could find a way to instigate thousands and millions of people to become self-aware and act, I'd suggest that you write a book and live from the profits until the end of your days

But Man Utd was already a globally established brand byt the time dr Glazer decided to barge in. They have long since established a willing contingent of submissive consumers, and as long as the product (said with jest, but less so than yesteryear) stays world class this crop will remain more or less constant.

Cardiff on the other hand has always relied on the passion from the local populace (until now that is). The younger generation is more and more apathetic towards live football (and the atmosphere and supposed passion from the crowd has always been the main selling point for english football) and
I see a big risk that they will get totally alienated. The already smitten has little choice, they will kick and scream and wail but will always return to the dinner table. But I do foresee that it will get harder and harder to create new such fans when the actual reasons to dive head first in the bottomless pit that is football supportership becomes les and less. Why would any kid in Cardiff invest his time, money and emotions in a club that so obviously doesn't care either way? Because he sees his dad's hair line recede an inch anytime his club makes a "special announcment"?
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With all due respect to our fans from far afield, I'm talking about the fans who the club has more of a direct impact upon i.e. those who attend matches. Those who broke away were a minority, whereas the potential was much greater, which is essentially what the green and gold campaign later exploited. It resurrected the discontent amongst fans, so we had a base, but it faded and died for greater reasons than the stability of the brand.

Anyway, I'm talking more generally here, and Cardiff in isolation won't change anything. Whatever action they take, it will be a drop in the ocean. Wimbledon went much further than Cardiff and relocated, but all that did was create another isolated incident of guerilla action.
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