LIGA: 28.10.2007 Real Madrid - Deportivo (post Match)

[hari]

how was piscu, filipe and verdu?

[deporiginal]

Originally Posted by dejan84

i think its bullshit saying xisco didnt play well, he made a goal out of nothing, all of our strikers would shit their pants if they got the ball in the area.
The second thing is guardado wasnt playing well. Sorry but he failed to finish at least two counters where we had more players up than real in defense. But he wanted to make a stupid pass or dribble. We need to strike the ball if you are on the edge of the area. But ok, i understand that everyone has a bad day.
Real was better do not kid yourself, please.
The penalty was clear, but extremely stupid, he brought him down almost on the out line in a dead corner. That was a bad move by guardado.
To tell you the truth i expected more of him. Maybe i just expected too much

So Xisco played well while Guardado was bad?? We must've seen a different game then. Not saying Guardado was great, but Xisco was average too imo.

[DepHun]

I am with Dejan about Guardado. He had 3 clear chances to shot on goal from cca. 16-20 meters in the 2nd half, 2 ended with bad passing, at the 3rd occassion ended somewhere in the top sectors of Bernabeu. Also he caused a (clear) penalty against us... In the attack Guardado should have been much-much-much more brave even in the Bernabeu. Nevermind, if we won't relegate he will have a chance next year.

Manuel Pablo was marvouleous, wonderful, sensational (until 75 minutes). Very good performance from him. Sergio was good also, Dudu was very good.

About Xisco: it is clear nowadays he is not able to play combinatively with other parts of the team, but he does score. And if he scored 1 goal per game everything is all right for me. He seems to be slow against Ramos.

De Guzman got tired for the2nd half, that was the key-fact...

To myfav:
Filipe had not real problem with Higuain, Higu was subbed. That is something. And Filipe played good towards the front (forwardly).

Piscu: no great errors, normal, standard play for me.

Verdú: 1 assist to Xisco's goal, some more dangerous shot from the right side in the first half, and good passing to Guardado in the second half. But sometimes he disappeared, I would need more and more good passes to creat chances.

And JR: what a chance he had...

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[Deporholic]

I agree with almost everything Dephun said. Manuel pablo what a player. Dudu had some couple of world class savings. Everybody played well.
But I'm a little bit dissapointed of Verdu and Guardado, but we can't expect Guardado to always play good sometimes I forget that this is his first season in the primera division.
About Verdu he had some couple of good moments but still has a lot to learn, but one thing that I can say is that he has developed alot since last season. Xisco was marvelous yesterday, he is working like an animal upfront. Always causing danger in the opponents goal area just look at JR:s chance. And when he was subbed of to Riki you could actually see how much he works on the field compared to Riki.
De guzman is the king of la coruna maybe I'm overacting but that player is so good. Sergio was also good and Felipe man we don't need a leftback together with Guardado this could be one of the best left flanks Deportivo has had in years.

[hari]

Originally Posted by DepHun

To myfav:
Filipe had not real problem with Higuain, Higu was subbed. That is something. And Filipe played good towards the front (forwardly).

Piscu: no great errors, normal, standard play for me.

Verdú: 1 assist to Xisco's goal, some more dangerous shot from the right side in the first half, and good passing to Guardado in the second half. But sometimes he disappeared, I would need more and more good passes to creat chances.

And JR: what a chance he had...

thanks,, nice to know that Piscu can handle primera level and also filipe and verdu are improving..

[dejan84]

yeah i have to say that felipe was quite impressive yesterday.
to tell you the truth i dont like verdu, he is way way to inconsistent to play premiera. I think that guardado needs to get a bit more comfortable, and shot what he has to shot not looking for someone else to take the responsibility. He is the so called leader of the team.
My biggest problem is that we do not have a real sub for de guzman. He needs to bring his condition up a bit, so he doesnt get tired in the last 15-20 minutes.

[DepHun]

Originally Posted by dejan84

yeah i have to say that felipe was quite impressive yesterday.
to tell you the truth i dont like verdu, he is way way to inconsistent to play premiera. I think that guardado needs to get a bit more comfortable, and shot what he has to shot not looking for someone else to take the responsibility. He is the so called leader of the team.
My biggest problem is that we do not have a real sub for de guzman. He needs to bring his condition up a bit, so he doesnt get tired in the last 15-20 minutes.

Please remember that De Guzman ran an awful lot in the first half, mainly instead of Sergio... I am curious about De Guzman running stats (something like in CL-matches, you can read). I would not be surprised if Guzman ran like 8 km in the first half.
I have some problems with Verdú (the same for me about Xisco, and Riki) too, and you are once again right about Guardado. He has to shoot (goals, or on goal)...

[istike]

I think we are improving fastly. We need to learn from the mistakes and start to think about the next few opponents (which are easily beatable), so it is no point to blame anybody since the overall performance of the team was good.
Who can not be blamed is Aouate. Even if he made some errors, in every game he used to save the team with some key saves...
Somebody mentioned before, that JR should play instead of Sergio. We should try it. IMO Sergio is getting tired too quickly, even if he doesn't run that much. He needs to get some stamina and strenght.
Xisco did his job. Don't blame him. His task is to score goals and he scored one. He needs some more technical knowledge and he will be o.k.
The only thing I missed was Verdu's playmaker skills. He wasn't bad, but he can play much better IMO.
Colo and Piscu need more time to know each others positioning, 'habits' on the pitch etc and I am sure we will see games without a single goal conceded.

[caabrego]

Originally Posted by myfavdepo

how was piscu, filipe and verdu?

Filipe was the best one of this trio, he was constant in attack and like the rest of the defence, it was too tired at end of the game. I didn't see Piscu until the second half and about Verdu, nice with a couple of shots on target, he hasn't scored yet, but it was him who build up the play of the goal.

[Joak]

Originally Posted by Tomek

Everybody say this for a long time (some matchdays before). It's high time to start winning! Now!

if depor play well enough to earn a draw in bernabeu we can say this

[Patologo]

Originally Posted by dejan84

i think its bullshit saying xisco didnt play well, he made a goal out of nothing, all of our strikers would shit their pants if they got the ball in the area.
The second thing is guardado wasnt playing well. Sorry but he failed to finish at least two counters where we had more players up than real in defense. But he wanted to make a stupid pass or dribble. We need to strike the ball if you are on the edge of the area. But ok, i understand that everyone has a bad day.
Real was better do not kid yourself, please.
The penalty was clear, but extremely stupid, he brought him down almost on the out line in a dead corner. That was a bad move by guardado.
To tell you the truth i expected more of him. Maybe i just expected too much

Aside from the penalty and the shot that went high I thought Guardado had an excellent game. He caused the greatest danger in attack with multiple crosses into the area, which is his duty as a left winger. I mean the left flank was the most active and did you guys see how Salgado could not deal with him? How about that counter-attack in the second half after he was moved to the right side where he dribbled past Gago who had to trip him? I know that he caused the penalty and shot high in one occasion but I dont think it's fair to say that he did not play well as he was the most dangerous player once again for Deportivo.

With that being said, I'm actually impressed on how well he has adjusted to playing in the Primera. He is only 21 years old so he has plenty of time to improve on a few things and become a more consistent player which is great for us. The only thing I would really like to see more from him is shooting a lot more often. I'm actually content with everything else, he is an amazing young player with so much potential.

P.S. I also thought that Manuel Pablo, De Guzman, and Aoute had a great game. I want to mention that if Deportivo plays as well as in the match versus Madrid, then there is almost no risk of being relegated!!!!

[vink]

We played well, the breaks favored RM. If you see the replay of Raul's goal, the ball takes a very lucky deflection off Felipe to RVN, who just has to tap it to Raul.
The team got rattled, which led to the third goal, which was just great skill from Guti and Robinho, who was absolutely, completely up for this game.

It sucks to lose 3-1, but I saw a ton of positives and a team that hustled their collective ass off. For the first time in forever, they put together a really dynamic passing game. They just need more consistency in front of goal and a touch more experience and poise. I think we're going to be fine.

[jcpaez]

Aoute completed his 125th game in the spanish league. The most that any Israeli player in Spain has had. That cool, and he is key in our team. Our defense has to improve that is our weak link. I've seen this game four times now. As for Guardado, well I wish that the rest of the team play that hard. De Guzman played hard left his heart in the field. Guardado does need to shoot at goal more, no question. Look at how many games his played in Spain and compare to those who have been here and done little. But we do need him to shoot at goal more. So he can build his confideance. Lets keep the faith. We all have a valid point and thats what I like about been here. Thank you for your knowledgeable inputs. I like to read all these badass thougths on how we can improve. I love this game. FUTBOL what a wonderful word.

[Patologo]

Originally Posted by jcpaez

Aoute completed his 125th game in the spanish league. The most that any Israeli player in Spain has had. That cool, and he is key in our team. Our defense has to improve that is our weak link. I've seen this game four times now. As for Guardado, well I wish that the rest of the team play that hard. De Guzman played hard left his heart in the field. Guardado does need to shoot at goal more, no question. Look at how many games his played in Spain and compare to those who have been here and done little. But we do need him to shoot at goal more. So he can build his confideance. Lets keep the faith. We all have a valid point and thats what I like about been here. Thank you for your knowledgeable inputs. I like to read all these badass thougths on how we can improve. I love this game. FUTBOL what a wonderful word.

Yup, thats just about the only thing he is missing in my opinion. Even though it isn't his greatest attribute, he can make a greater impact. I believe that with a bit more time as he gains more confidence that will not be a problem. He is already amazing and can only get better.