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Old 19-01-2011, 22:35   #1
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Default COPA 10/11 | Deportivo 2-3 Almeria | 19-01-11 | Post Match Comments

Undeserved defeat imo.

Not the dull turgid affair we've been used to with both keepers making great saves and both teams hitting the woodwork in the opening 15 mins. Almeria took advantage of a sleeping defence when Goitom cut the ball back to an unmarked Corona. (Juca decided to stop running back with him)

Then just a minute later, Almeria benefitted from 2 lucky deflections as the first shot was blocked and went straight to Crusat. His effort was struck well and on target but took a deflection off Laure which looped over Manu;s outstretched hand.

Just before HT, we were awarded a penalty when Alvarez was prevented from getting his shot in and 7 minutes into the 2nd half, Adrian headed in from Laure's cross to make a game of it, having been on the field only 2 minutes.

Unfortunately, the comeback was curtailed by a ridiculous decision from the linesman who flagged for a penalty after Ruben Perez was hauled to the ground and on his way down, was hit by the ball on the arm. Should have been a foul for us imo and there didnt seem to be any appeals from Almeria. On whistling, both sets of players seemed to be walking away thinking it was a free kick to Depor.

There were a few chances afterwards and we at least did give it a go but scoring 5 times was never going to be likely.

Not as bad as many of our performances this season but still dissapointing.

One bright note was the debut of Beceira who came on as a sub.
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I thought our defence for the 1st goal or should I say Juca were at fault.
I think Valeron is coming to his end and cannot play 90 minutes.
lassad not good today.
2nd half was better and you are right a ridiculous decison for their penalty.
I think that We now need a new manager and hopefully a fully fit Riki,Guardado and either left back.
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Old 19-01-2011, 22:47   #3
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the worst thing is that we missed the incomes of a full house, otherwise it's an easy one to have inner peace with. Although we should have won this one
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Old 19-01-2011, 22:50   #4
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the worst thing is that we missed the incomes of a full house, otherwise it's an easy one to have inner peace with. Although we should have won this one
Full house against Betis?

Not mad, because at least the players tried. But I still have the same idea: Lotina is a fool.
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Not dissapointed. That was an open game, which is probably the wrong way for Deportivo to get results.

Still from time to time we did some nice movements on the pitch. Juca was better than what he used to be whenever he isn't injured.

Great debut for Iago Beceiro
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Lapse of concentration and a refereeing error. Bitter. However, could hardly have expected otherwise considering the starting lineup, and there are definitely positives to take.

Iago Beceiro will surely be hungry for the future now, and even more so with Adrián on his way out.

Meanwhile, although Juca didn't have the best of games, his free kicks looked up to a pretty damn decent standard, and if he got going, it could mean some pretty vital goals.

Anyway, there's Zaragoza on Sunday and that's quite a bit more important.
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Disappointing, simply because it was just Almeria. But on the other hand if going through meant getting smashed by Barca then maybe it's better.

Anyway all in all we can be satisfied, I haven't expected us to have such a decent run in Copa. Let's focus on La Liga now.
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Not dissapointed. That was an open game, which is probably the wrong way for Deportivo to get results.

Still from time to time we did some nice movements on the pitch. Juca was better than what he used to be whenever he isn't injured.

Great debut for Iago Beceiro

well I recorded the game jst for his sake ..... and gathered 4 real supporters to watch the game and especially this new young player from juvinle

all in all it was an exicting game .....the referee killed it with a bad decision a penalty

and Valeron was great but how can a player like him do magic when there are fools in front of him ( Lassad ...etc)
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Are you guys seriously saying that last night’s performance was in the ‘ok’ category? It’s time for a few hard truths about our set-up.

Lotina got the formation wrong again – playing with a trivote system just does not work for us. And when 2 of those pivotes are Tomas and Juca, well…. And the coach obviously gave licence to the full backs to attack down the wings at all costs (it cost us the first 2 goals when Manny was nowhere to be seen and Juca was pulling a horse behind him trying to get back to cover the runner). Valeron needs players in close proximity to him for him to function at his best. With only Lassad and Alvarez for company, he was a lost soul. Only when we had a chance at 2-2 did Depor start to sweep forward and then we saw Valeron enter the game more.
Ok, so it is better to have Almeria (as one of our direct rivals) facing 2 extra games against Barca. And we were unlucky with the penalty decision when the score was 2-2. But the attitude of some of our players is disgraceful. Never again would I select Antonio Tomas – he didn’t even break into a sweat. Manny P was atrocious at left back and it’s time to see a specialist in that position, even if it’s Raul Garcia from Fabril. Or, what about trying out Desma there? Juca was a passenger for the entire game – another one I would never select again. I really don’t know why Ruben Perez does all that extra work covering for his midfield partners – I’m just glad that he does.

And Lassad is not a central striker. If he plays ok anywhere, it’s as a playmaker (although I’m sure we could find better than him in Fabril even).

The plus points for me were the performances of Ze Castro, Ruben Perez, Laure and Alvarez. All 4 gave 100% for the whole game and you can’t ask more than that of any player. I have criticised the Portuguese in the past but I can’t fault his last 2 performance or the effort he has put in. Ruben Perez is amazing for his phenomenal workrate. Without him, we’d be overrun. Laure might surprise you, but I thought he did very well in an attacking sense and Lotina should test him on the right side of midfield in future games – I’ll explore this more in the Evolution Thread later. And Alvarez looked hungry and dangerous at times. When he’s allowed to roam infield, instead of chalking his boots on the wing, he looks a lot more comfortable and confident.

And Beceiro’s debut was the biggest highlight of the night. What a thrill for him and all the youngsters of Abegondo. Now they know it is possible and that is gold dust.

So, even though it was ‘only’ Copa, there are things we should not be happy with. And if I can see the things that are going wrong, why can’t Lotina? It’s time to surprise our Liga rivals and change to a more offensive system.
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I think we need to take the possitives out of this game and move on. Weve got a massive game against Zaragoza where only 3 points will do IMO.

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Goalkeepers: Aranzubia and Manu
Right back: Laure is getting better with the more he plays, very commited, good offensively, needs to improve defensively. (Seoane & Laure for nxt season)
Ze Castro: Good performance, thank good we have a decent set of centre backs.
Left back: Rinda, Morel or Raul need to play here week in week out, no more right footed players in this position.
Midfield: Juca is just back from injury, if he is able to play a few games consecutively, he will improve. A.Tomas & Juanro can leave in the summer. Ruben and Juando are the only decent central midfielders we have, we need to strengthen in this position in the summer.
Wingers: Desma, Saul, Guardado to stay.. P.Alvarez can go.. we need to bring in 1 more in Jan/Summer
Strikers: With Adrian leaving, Lassad inconsistent, Bodipo crap, Riki injury prone... we need 2 new signings before the start of the new season.
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In comparison to most of our latest performances, I thought that one was OK.
Agree about the formation being wrong and some of your (Rack) points but not neccessarily about the criticism of the full backs attacking costing us the first goal. If you play 5 at the back, theoretically you should always have one of the three centre backs that can shift over and cover the gap left by the full backs advance. And to be honest, most times the winger gets into that position, the striker usually has a bit to do, unlike Corona who was given the freedom of the Riazor by Juca, who couldn't be bothered to chase him back all the way. For me, the blame there relies solely on Juca.

We saw an open game from the start last night and to be honest, I'd rather lose when we caused a bit of excitement with decent chances of our own, then see us lose a dull game 1-0. It could have been totally different if Esteban hadn't made a great save from Pablo Alvarez and Manny P's shot had been 2 inches lower.
That penalty decision killed us too. After the 2-2 equaliser, I thought the 5th goal would be crucial. If it went to them, we were pretty much dead but if we got it with a bit of time on the clock, we only needed one more and they would have gone more cautious which isnt there natural game and it was fairly possible we could have gone on and won this. But then the linesman flagged for that handball and killed us and the game in one foul swoop.
To be fair, we still knocked it around in spells nicely but although we didnt roll over and die like we have in some games, we never really quite looked like we had the belief for the last stages of the game.

I don't think Manny P is the answer at LB either but to be honest, I thought calling his performance last night "atrocious" was really harsh. Just looking at the Pena Man of the Match, he currently sits 2nd from that game, only behind the other full back.
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and Juca was pulling a horse behind him trying to get back to cover the runner

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I'm very surprised that our 2 full backs lead the Pena Man of the Match votes considering we conceded three goals last night....

And maybe Sky Sports airbrushed him out of the picture, but I didn't see MP in the camera shot for either of the first 2 goals...
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The draw was a 4321 turning into a 433 with both full backs switching between attack and defense, that explain why people were impress with them. I voted for Laure, because he made the two crosses that meant our goals, so he made more in attack than Lassad.

And don't get the wrong picture, I said I wasn't mad, but not in a tactical sense, but because at least the players showed some spirit. I still think Lotina should leave as soon as possible.
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The draw was a 4321 turning into a 433 with both full backs switching between attack and defense, that explain why people were impress with them. I voted for Laure, because he made the two crosses that meant our goals, so he made more in attack than Lassad.

Yeah, it doesn't hide the fact that Lotina kinda mucked it up again, but Laure and Manny P quite clearly did make a contribution. And I still think that it's a team game and if your defenders are given licence to go forward, someone should cover them. That's basic sunday parks football tactics.
At the end of the day you you can't expect any full back to be putting in crosses near the oppositions area and then expect them back defending the subsequent counter attack (especially at Mannys age )
So unless we go back to the mentality when we tell our full backs to stay in their own half, we have to expect them to get caught out of position occasionally. If/when that happens, it's got to be up to someone to cover them, no?

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And don't get the wrong picture, I said I wasn't mad, but not in a tactical sense, but because at least the players showed some spirit. I still think Lotina should leave as soon as possible.

Exactly. Compare this performance with last weeks game in Almeria and it was 10 times better. That's not saying we were great yesterday but last week was one of the worst performances and all round frustrating nights for me that I can remember.
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